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‎Keksekça? and Kekçaa? (direct-from-speech transliteration)

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Juandelfrio: /* "Keksekça?" and Kekçaa? (direct-from-speech transliteration) */

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‎"Keksekça?" and Kekçaa? (direct-from-speech transliteration)

Juandelfrio: /* Keksekça? et/and Kekçaa? */

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‎Keksekça? et/and Kekçaa?

Juandelfrio: /* "Keksekça?" and Kekçaa? (direct-from-speech transliteration) */

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‎"Keksekça?" and Kekçaa? (direct-from-speech transliteration)

Juandelfrio: /* "Keksekça?" and Kekçaa? (direct-from-speech transliteration) */

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‎"Keksekça?" and Kekçaa? (direct-from-speech transliteration)

Juandelfrio: /* "Keksekça?" and Kekçaa? (direct-from-speech transliteration) */

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‎"Keksekça?" and Kekçaa? (direct-from-speech transliteration)

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Juandelfrio: /* Keksekça? et/and Kekçaa? */

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 ===''Keksekça?'' and ''Kekçaa?'' (direct-from-speech transliteration)===
-"Doukipudonkton, se demanda Gabriel excédé" opens Raymond Queneau's dazzling 1959 novel ''Zazie dans le métro''.<ref>Queneau, Raymond. ''Zazie dans le métro''. Folio, Editions Gallimard, 1959.</ref>  Barbara Wright translates Queneau's direct-from-speech transliteration of Gabriel's question as "Howcanyastinksotho."<ref>Queneau, Raymond. ''Zazie''. Trans. Barbara Wright. Bantam Books: Toronto, 1968. p.
+"Doukipudonkton, se demanda Gabriel excédé" opens Raymond Queneau's dazzling 1959 novel ''Zazie dans le métro''.<ref>Queneau, Raymond. ''Zazie dans le métro''. Folio, Editions Gallimard, 1959. p. 11.</ref>  Barbara Wright translates Queneau's direct-from-speech transliteration of Gabriel's question as "Howcanyastinksotho."<ref>Queneau, Raymond. ''Zazie''. Trans. Barbara Wright. Bantam Books: Toronto, 1968. p. 1</ref>  This direct-from-speech transliteration, made famous more recently by Irvine Welsh with ''Train Spotting'', shows up a century before ''Zazie dans le métro'' in ''Les Misérables''.
 Having read almost none of ''Les Misérables'' in French I am uncertain if the direct-from-speech transliterations appear only in the second half, but the two interrogatives of Gavroche the street kid, only pages apart (in Vol. 4, Bk. 6, Ch. 2), are

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 ===''Keksekça?'' and ''Kekçaa?'' (direct-from-speech transliteration)===
-"Doukipudonkton, se demanda Gabriel excédé" opens Raymond Queneau's dazzling 1959 novel ''Zazie dans le métro''.<ref>Queneau, Raymond. ''Zazie dans le métro''. Folio, Editions Flammarion, 1973.</ref>  Barbara Wright translates Queneau's direct-from-speech transliteration of Gabriel's question as (I'm recalling from memory, so maybe not exactly) "Howcantheystinksotho."<ref>Queneau, Raymond. ''Zazie''. Trans. Barbara Wright. More bibliographic details soon as I get to my bookshelf</ref>  This direct-from-speech transliteration, made famous more recently by Irvine Welsh with ''Train Spotting'', shows up a century before ''Zazie dans le métro'' in ''Les Misérables''.
+"Doukipudonkton, se demanda Gabriel excédé" opens Raymond Queneau's dazzling 1959 novel ''Zazie dans le métro''.<ref>Queneau, Raymond. ''Zazie dans le métro''. Folio, Editions Gallimard, 1959.</ref>  Barbara Wright translates Queneau's direct-from-speech transliteration of Gabriel's question as "Howcanyastinksotho."<ref>Queneau, Raymond. ''Zazie''. Trans. Barbara Wright. Bantam Books: Toronto, 1968. p.
 Having read almost none of ''Les Misérables'' in French I am uncertain if the direct-from-speech transliterations appear only in the second half, but the two interrogatives of Gavroche the street kid, only pages apart (in Vol. 4, Bk. 6, Ch. 2), are

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 "Doukipudonkton, se demanda Gabriel excédé" opens Raymond Queneau's dazzling 1959 novel ''Zazie dans le métro''.<ref>Queneau, Raymond. ''Zazie dans le métro''. Folio, Editions Flammarion, 1973.</ref>  Barbara Wright translates Queneau's direct-from-speech transliteration of Gabriel's question as (I'm recalling from memory, so maybe not exactly) "Howcantheystinksotho."<ref>Queneau, Raymond. ''Zazie''. Trans. Barbara Wright. More bibliographic details soon as I get to my bookshelf</ref>  This direct-from-speech transliteration, made famous more recently by Irvine Welsh with ''Train Spotting'', shows up a century before ''Zazie dans le métro'' in ''Les Misérables''.
-Having read almost none of ''Les Misérables'' in French I am uncertain if the direct-from-speech transliterations actually appear only in the second half, but the two interrogatives of Gavroche the street kid, only pages apart (in Vol. 4, Bk. 6, Ch. 2), are
+Having read almost none of ''Les Misérables'' in French I am uncertain if the direct-from-speech transliterations appear only in the second half, but the two interrogatives of Gavroche the street kid, only pages apart (in Vol. 4, Bk. 6, Ch. 2), are
 ''Keksekça?''

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 The scaffold. <ref name="hapgood"></ref>
-==="Keksekça?" and ''Kekçaa?'' (direct-from-speech transliteration)===
+===''Keksekça?'' and ''Kekçaa?'' (direct-from-speech transliteration)===
 "Doukipudonkton, se demanda Gabriel excédé" opens Raymond Queneau's dazzling 1959 novel ''Zazie dans le métro''.<ref>Queneau, Raymond. ''Zazie dans le métro''. Folio, Editions Flammarion, 1973.</ref>  Barbara Wright translates Queneau's direct-from-speech transliteration of Gabriel's question as (I'm recalling from memory, so maybe not exactly) "Howcantheystinksotho."<ref>Queneau, Raymond. ''Zazie''. Trans. Barbara Wright. More bibliographic details soon as I get to my bookshelf</ref>  This direct-from-speech transliteration, made famous more recently by Irvine Welsh with ''Train Spotting'', shows up a century before ''Zazie dans le métro'' in ''Les Misérables''.

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 ===''Keksekça?'' et/and ''Kekçaa?''===
-The 19th century English translators didn't translate Hugo's direct-to-speech transliterations. Neither "Keksekça?" nor its meaning "Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela?" are translated into English in either the 1862 Wraxall or the 1887 Hapgood English translations.<ref>Hugo, Victor. ''Les Misérables, Volume 2''. Trans. Sir Frederick Charles Lascelles Wraxall (3rd Baronet).  London: Hurst and Blackett, Publisher, 1862.  Digitized by Google, original from Oxford University's Bibliotheca Bodleiana.  https://books.google.com/books?id=TuQBAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false </ref><ref>Hugo, Victor. ''Les Misérables''. Trans. Isabel F. Hapgood.  New York:  Thomas Y. Crowell & Co., 1887.  A Project Gutenberg Ebook.  http://www.gutenberg.org/files/135/135-h/135-h.htm#link2HCH0148 </ref>  The other transliteration, "Kekçaa?", and its formal explication, "qu'est-ce que cela a?", also remain as is.  An 1876 translation cited by Google Books as by C. E. Wilbour, omits Hugo's direct-from-speech transliterations, making a smoother reading experience, but losing Hugo's "but wait I haven't told you everything yet" style that makes Hugo's local-world-epoch story so delicious.<ref>Hugo, Victor. ''Les Misérables: Jean Valjean''. Trans. Charles Edwin Wilbour.    London: Ward, Lock, and Tyler, Warwick House, Paternoster Row, 1876.   Digitized by Google, originally from Oxford University's Bodleian Library. https://books.google.com/books?id=qhwGAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false </ref>
+The plausibility that Hugo's direct-from-speech transliteration was avant-garde is suggested by its treatment by translators.  The 19th century English translators didn't translate Hugo's direct-to-speech transliterations. Neither "Keksekça?" nor its meaning "Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela?" are translated into English in either the 1862 Wraxall or the 1887 Hapgood English translations.<ref>Hugo, Victor. ''Les Misérables, Volume 2''. Trans. Sir Frederick Charles Lascelles Wraxall (3rd Baronet).  London: Hurst and Blackett, Publisher, 1862.  Digitized by Google, original from Oxford University's Bibliotheca Bodleiana.  https://books.google.com/books?id=TuQBAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false </ref><ref>Hugo, Victor. ''Les Misérables''. Trans. Isabel F. Hapgood.  New York:  Thomas Y. Crowell & Co., 1887.  A Project Gutenberg Ebook.  http://www.gutenberg.org/files/135/135-h/135-h.htm#link2HCH0148 </ref>  The other transliteration, "Kekçaa?", and its formal explication, "qu'est-ce que cela a?", also remain as is.  An 1876 translation cited by Google Books as by C. E. Wilbour, omits Hugo's direct-from-speech transliterations, making a smoother reading experience, but losing Hugo's "but wait I haven't told you everything yet" style that makes Hugo's local-world-epoch story so delicious.<ref>Hugo, Victor. ''Les Misérables: Jean Valjean''. Trans. Charles Edwin Wilbour.    London: Ward, Lock, and Tyler, Warwick House, Paternoster Row, 1876.   Digitized by Google, originally from Oxford University's Bodleian Library. https://books.google.com/books?id=qhwGAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false </ref>
 Fahnestock and MacAfee translate the direct-from-speech transliterations the way Wright translates Queneau's (see textual note, below).

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 That is, ''This is another word of the language no one writes but everyone speaks.''
-The need for in-text explanation suggests a new literary method.  The plausibility that Hugo's direct-from-speech transliteration was avant-garde is suggested by its treatment by translators.  (See translation note, above)
+The need for in-text explanation suggests a new literary method.
 ==Citations==
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 ''Kekçaa?''
-Using Fahnestock and MacAfee's English translation as a guide, ''Keksekça?'' and ''Kekçaa?' seem to be the first instances in the novel, as if Hugo discovered this new dialogic method well into the writing.
+Using Fahnestock and MacAfee's English translation as a guide, ''Keksekça?'' and ''Kekçaa?'' seem to be the first instances in the novel, as if Hugo discovered this new dialogic method well into the writing.
 ''Les Misérables'''s narrator explains this dialogic method after the second transliteration:

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 The 19th century English translators didn't translate Hugo's direct-to-speech transliterations. Neither "Keksekça?" nor its meaning "Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela?" are translated into English in either the 1862 Wraxall or the 1887 Hapgood English translations.<ref>Hugo, Victor. ''Les Misérables, Volume 2''. Trans. Sir Frederick Charles Lascelles Wraxall (3rd Baronet).  London: Hurst and Blackett, Publisher, 1862.  Digitized by Google, original from Oxford University's Bibliotheca Bodleiana.  https://books.google.com/books?id=TuQBAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false </ref><ref>Hugo, Victor. ''Les Misérables''. Trans. Isabel F. Hapgood.  New York:  Thomas Y. Crowell & Co., 1887.  A Project Gutenberg Ebook.  http://www.gutenberg.org/files/135/135-h/135-h.htm#link2HCH0148 </ref>  The other transliteration, "Kekçaa?", and its formal explication, "qu'est-ce que cela a?", also remain as is.  An 1876 translation cited by Google Books as by C. E. Wilbour, omits Hugo's direct-from-speech transliterations, making a smoother reading experience, but losing Hugo's "but wait I haven't told you everything yet" style that makes Hugo's local-world-epoch story so delicious.<ref>Hugo, Victor. ''Les Misérables: Jean Valjean''. Trans. Charles Edwin Wilbour.    London: Ward, Lock, and Tyler, Warwick House, Paternoster Row, 1876.   Digitized by Google, originally from Oxford University's Bodleian Library. https://books.google.com/books?id=qhwGAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false </ref>
-Fahnestock and MacAfee translate the direct-from-speech transliterations the way Wright translates Queneau's.
+Fahnestock and MacAfee translate the direct-from-speech transliterations the way Wright translates Queneau's (see textual note, below).
 ''Keksekça?'' becomes ''Whazzachuaver''